OTHERPLANE

I have read with interest your descriptions of the extra terrestrials that are visiting our planet. My hobby is ancient myths and I was wondering at the similarity in physical descriptions between Sunshine's race and that of the Nephilim mentioned in the Book of Genesis. Are these the same species?

I have also read about a fish-like people who visited the Middle East long ago, but can find no record of recent visits. Did these people really exist and if so why did they stop coming to this planet?

Wed, 30 Sep 98, Otherplane's reply:

Your email provided a suprise for us regarding sunshine and her people. We are not familiar with that area of the bible. Can you provide the exact location in the bible, of this Nephilim people, because a very small percentage of the Nephilim came from Sunshine's world. On the otherhand, the fish-like people is just a myth.

Wed, 30 Sep 98, Reader writes:

Regarding the Nephilim. I have a great deal of research tied up in them and can forward to you just about any information you would care to read. But this is the short version of it.

The Nephilim first show up in the Bible. . .

Words and Definitions

The original word ‘Bne Ha`elohim' when translated literally means ‘Sons of God'. The Hebrew also referred to these beings as ‘The Watchers' and claimed that God had sent them to watch over the Sons of Man (or Sons of Adam which means simply mankind), after the expulsion from the Garden of Eden. The word ‘Nephilim' means literally ‘those who fell from the sky (or heavens)' or ‘the fallen ones'.

"The Nephilim were upon the Earth in those days and thereafter too. Those sons of the gods who cohabited with the daughters of the sons of Adam, and they bore children into them. They are the Mighty Ones of Eternity, the People of the Shem" - Genesis 6:4 (Hebrew to English translation).

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they; bare children unto them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." - Genesis 6:4 (King James Version).

"The Nephilim were on the earth at that time (and even afterward) when the sons of God resorted to the daughters of man, and had children by them. These are the heroes of days gone by, the famous men." - Genesis 6:4 (The Jerusalem Bible).

"They (the leaders) and all of them took for themselves wives from all that they chose and they began to cohabit with them and to defile themselves with them; and to teach them sorcery and spells and the cutting of roots; and to acquaint them with herbs. And they became pregnant by them and bore great giants three thousand cubits high. . . ." - Dead Sea Scrolls, fragment 4Q201.

There is also the Book of Enoch which is devoted almost entirely to the Nephilim and was deleted from the Torah by a Rabinical Council in 435 b.c. The reason they gave for removing it was a concern that the people of the future might one day confuse the Nephilim for God.

It took a lot of digging, but I was able to come up with the Book of Enoch and learned that he ended up living with them toward the end of his life. This is why it tells us in the Bible that Enoch "walked with God" rather than giving us an age at death. No one of the time seems to have known just when he died, but he was still living when Noah was born. Enoch was Noah's Great Great Grandfather.

Noah was an albino and his appearance at birth caused a good deal of panic in the family because they were afraid he may be half Nephilim. This is how I figured out what the Nephilim looked like. They arrived during Jared's lifetime according to the Book of Jubilees and this is what Moses said about them. . .

". . . And he called his name Jared, for in his days the angels of the Lord descended on the earth, those who are named the Watchers, that they should instruct the children of men, and that they should do judgment and uprightness on the earth." - Jubilees Chapter 4:15 - 20.

Enoch had a rather odd way of describing how the Nephilim bred with humans . . .

". . . And they shall produce on the earth giants not according to the spirit, but according to the flesh. . ." - One Enoch, Chapter 107.

The only conclusion I could draw here was that he must have been talking about DNA manipulation rather than copulation. It is important to note that not all of the Nephilim are said to have participated in this act. Many did not approve of what was being done and seem to have attempted to police themselves. The ones who refused to participate come to us today as the Archangels. (Michael, Gabriel et.al.)

It wasn't just the Jews and Egyptians who dealt with the Nephilim. There are stories about them from North and South America as well as India.

I have probably already given you more information than you wanted! Haha! Forgive me please.

As for the fish people, my only conclusion then must be that these people wore some sort of clothing which caused the people to think they resembled fish. I say this because the stories of them are so very descriptive and don't show the embellishment that we see in other types of myths. Would you please see if Oannes really existed? That might be a better way of going about asking the question. If he did exist, then see if he was human or extraterrestrial.

Wed, 30 Sep 98, Otherplane's reply:

You have provided a very important factor in the equation of mankind. Now we can ask better questions and hopefully gather what seem to be a puzzle since the beginning of time.

Yes, Sunshine's people manipulated DNA and not by copulation that they succeeded in producing giants of men during that time. They had to resort to this because our genital organs and theirs were not the same. They selected a specific type of culture to clone, to make things equal, but the amount of people then were limited and would soon be separated by the moving continents.

Sorcery is what we call Science now and cutting of the roots and herbs is the foundation of medicine and agriculture. They have provided the very basic of things all over the world.

The four sided triangles (Pyramid) were not isolated only in the Middle East but worldwide. FYI: In the early 1900 an expedition was sponsored by Smithsonian to chart the Grand Canyon. There they found coffins of the giants inside a labyrinth of caves and tunnels. They were collected and were sent to the Institutes for analysis. Later on in years the coffins were never found. Also to this day that portion of the Grand Canyon is still off limits to all including the maintainers of the Canyon. During the war more giants were found in the Arctic and sent to the same place but were never shown to the public. Stay in touch ... you made our day.

Wed, 30 Sep 98, Reader writes:

I'm so glad you enjoyed the information I sent you regarding the Nephilim! I began studying them just over a year ago and I must admit I was absolutely astounded at what I learned. I have long known that beings from other worlds visit here on a semi-regular basis, but the idea that beings from another world were the basis for our very religious ideologies was a bit overwhelming to me.

I have a rather odd way of learning things. First I study and learn everything I can through available outlets like the library and the web. Once I have learned all I can about any given subject, then I begin to concentrate on specific questions that the information has raised and I have not been able to find an answer for. I will keep that question going in my mind until finally the answer just literally pops into my mind.

The funny thing is, that when I am able to eventually verify my information, it turns out to have been accurate. So I learned to trust it a very long time ago. But then when this came up and the answer came to me I felt very uncomfortable with it. I couldn't help but wonder if I had simply drawn the only conclusion that seemed logical to me rather than the actual true answer. Since I had absolutely no way of verifying this information I simply kept my mouth shut and left the topic altogether. But it nagged at me.

Your web site finally offered me a chance to find out if my answers were true. So far, every answer you have given me to the questions I have asked has indicated to me that you are indeed doing what you claim to be doing, so I feel much more comfortable with my ‘feelings' about the Nephilim and their origins now.

Since you are doing me such a service I am thrilled that I am also contributing to your own endeavors. I like knowing it's an even exchange because I would worry I might be taking advantage of you otherwise. I have an enormous amount of information I can give you on ancient myths and their relations to the Nephilim. After all my studying I realized that a book should be written so that future explorers could find the information much easier than I did. You wouldn't believe how much trouble it is to get all this stuff together! Haha! One little piece here and one little piece there. It's like putting together a jigsaw puzzle with no picture of how it should look when it's finished and no idea when you're done whether or not you did it right! I had thought that eventually I might put it on the web so others could use it.

Skipping the tons of info I could add to my previous letter and getting right to the heart of the matter. These beings show up in our world history right about the time of a major world catastrophe according to my best attempts to match history with myth.

Enoch said they would return and he was right. You may want to ask your "friend" if they CAN only come here at certain times in our history rather than all the time. You see, I suspect from what I've read that there has to be some sort of alignment for them to get here and over thousands of years there are times when they can't travel here at all. Of course, it is possible that their technology has progressed significantly over the millennia and they can now get here any time they wish. I would like very much to know what the answer to that is. I realize you're going to have to ask several yes and no questions to get that answer for me, but it really is important to me that I know one way or the other as the answer would further verify another piece of the puzzle.

I wonder about the implications for karma in terms of Sunshine and the turmoil they brought to our planet so long ago. If the Mahabharata is correct, they staged a full scale war in the skies over India and many humans were killed along the way. Additionally some of the Nephilim enslaved people and caused great hardship to many. I suppose it's possible that the great gifts they gave many others in terms of agriculture, medicine, architecture, mathematics, etc., could have served to offset any wrongs some of them caused.

I would suggest that you give some thought to including on your web page in the description of Sunshine's people that they are just people. As capable of human failings as anyone on our planet. Some people tend to think that any being from another world MUST be omnipotent and incapable of wrong doing. This is simply not the case. They aren't that different from us in many ways, there are good guys and bad guys.

Getting back to the catastrophe idea, I suspect that our planet has seen more than one flood. The Maya hold a calendar that indicates these catastrophes occur on a regular and predictable basis. Looking over my data, the best explanation I can come up with is a comet which passes too near the earth causing serious problems. I suspect that if you ask your "friends" you will find that whatever it is, it does indeed happen on a regular basis.

The theory of crustal shift likely ties into this catastrophe. Enoch predicted the Flood and said. . .

"The Lord will do a new thing on the earth, and this I have already seen in a vision, and make known to thee that in the generation of my father Jared some of the angels of heaven transgressed the word of the Lord. And behold they commit sin and transgress the law, and have united themselves with women and commit sin with them, and have married some of them, and have begot children by them. And they shall produce on the earth giants not according to the spirit, but according to the flesh, and there shall be a great punishment on the earth, and the earth shall be cleansed from all impurity." - One Enoch, Chapter 107.

I doubt that the Flood actually happened because of the visits from these other beings, but suspect rather that their ability to visit our planet at certain times merely coincides with whatever it is that caused the flood to occur. If that is indeed the case, then we are in for another one soon. My math indicates the year 2012, but I have no way of verifying this. My ‘feeling' is that we are talking about two different catastrophes coming up in the next few years. One being man made and the other being of a natural source but I have no idea why I feel this way and have no way of explaining it. The only other possibility besides the comet idea I could find mention of that might cause this sort of catastrophe is a calendar which predicts increased sun spot activity on the same regular basis as that of the Mayan calendar. I find this theory more flawed than I would like, but it's the only other one I have come up with through my research.

Another question I would dearly love to know the answer to is whether or not there remain any descendants of the ‘giants' created by the Nephilim living today. Would you mind asking for me?

By the way, here is another one you might enjoy asking about. Enoch said he made a pillar (some accounts claim he made three) which contained all the information given to mankind by the Nephilim and this pillar was buried by his son Methuselah prior to the Flood. There are some accounts of one or two of them having been found and long since lost again. When I think very hard on this I keep coming up with the Sphinx, but I can't quite figure out the connection. Perhaps they are stored in the enclosure beneath the Sphinx.

I once attempted to ‘look' inside the room beneath the Sphinx and I came up with all sorts of things that I found very difficult to put a name to. The closest I could come in plain words would be that it is rather like a museum. I wonder if those things are still there intact or if it was plundered eons ago?

As for the Greys, I have felt for some time that the reason they are unsuccessful in combining their DNA with our own is because of a rather unusual situation. I feel they have a different type of soul than our own (sort of like animals have souls distinct to their species). Theirs being more of the type we might think of as a ‘hive' type soul, like bees. When they produce a child of mixed genetics they end up with one they are incapable of rearing properly and they don't seem to understand why. Unlike the people of ‘Sunshine', the Greys are truly alien to us.

I have often felt that the ‘tall greys' have some link to us somehow. I have no idea what that means. Any ideas? Gosh! I hope you're enjoying this as much as I am!

Tue, 06 Oct 98, Otherplane's reply:

You have a very deductive mind. The only evidence that we can have of their existence would be their DNA but where do we compare that. The truth of the matter was, the carrier of those DNA's did not survive to today. Only the informations provided by them became the proof of their comings under debunkment by the intelligence communities. If you head East and up towards the stars on a summer month, will be the approximate location of her (sunshine's) world. Very advanced in spirit and mind. Even with that advance stage they do have the bad folks with them.

We cannot put death on a pedestal and use it as a pointer to classify bad or indifference. People must die in different ways because we cannot live forever. If that battle over the Mahabharata's land happened in the middle of the ocean and the impact of that battle caused millions of death in the mainland, will they know who to blame? Death is a form of progress for the living. Check this info for us ... Repeatedly in the bible, it quotes that "So and so begoth so and so and he's gone". If you trace the accomplishment of those individuals, you will find that their contributions still remains today. Wonder who they were? Also, anything on the twelve tribes of Israel?

They can travel back and forth as they wish with what we call "the worm hole". A space phenomenon that elongate and contract at a precise time and with this as a tool of travel, they can be here in less than 30 hrs. They are here all the time, not to look for their lost people, but to monitor mother earth. For if earth perishes, it will be a galactic catastrophy because the alignment of a certain planet will have a domino effect to the rest of the stars beyond our solar system.

There's more than one flood and even beyond what the Mayan people have recorded. There's a few more that put the 40 days and nights to shame. That's it for now.